i thought he did better as the debate went on, but romney, romney is behind. romney tried to show more compassionate self. the president philosophy was do no harm, don't make any serious mistakes and just take it and then make your point. in that regard, it was a minimal philosophy. he did fairly well. i think mitt romney accomplished what he set out to do, which was make his case. >> let me ask you, before this we heard mitt romney was going to come out with a lot of zingers tonight. do you think they were effective? >> no, i don't remember any. so if you can't remember a zinger, it's not a zinger. the most effective thing he did was, look, you had four years and this is your record. and it's not a record that deserves reelection. the president came back and said, well look what i inherited, but didn't dwell on that and said we have a different way of looking at what government does. and he made his case as well. i mean, more than anything, it was probably a draw that romney did better than i thought, and he, the president is rusty. he hasn't done this in fou